Our Proud History

NORTH KIRRA SURF LIFESAVING CLUB

North Kirra Surf Lifesaving Club was formed in March, 1949. There was concern of the lack of a surf club between Kirra and Bilinga. Joe Doniger, a life member of Kirra Surf Club, and who resided in the area was approached to become involved in forming the club. He was subsequently elected to the position of Captain of the new club.

The inaugural meeting was held on the 4th March, Mr A.P. Bird, a local bank manager was elected as the first President. The Secretary was Mr A.R. (Jock) Waugh, and the Treasurer was Mr John Shinnie a local resident and Coolangatta businessman. It was decided that the club would be for local members only.

Several local residents and accommodation owners were involved in the formation of the club and were to the fore in fund raising and organising local support. Two names that come to mind were Jack Sutherland and Ted Rope. Another who later became Treasurer, was Barry Turner, who owned a shop just south of Coolangatta Creek bridge, and opposite what was a large camping ground. Which extended from Kirra Beach to Coolangatta Creek.

The first clubhouse at North Kirra was a single room fibro building with a small room attached for a radio room. The cost of the building (referred to in the minutes of the day as the "Gear Shed'') was 116 pounds ($232). The club made several overtures to the South Coast Council for assistance in building their shed, but in the end the money had to be found from club funds.

Even though the club did not have radios in those times the idea was there. In future years it was used to broadcast music and radio broadcasts on to the beach but without very much success (the beach was too wide and the water too far away).

Whilst Mr A.P. Bird remained as president for three seasons, there were several changes to the office bearers in that time. But the foundation was laid for later years. The club always seemed to be financially OK. One of he positions was Club Collector, whose job was to solicit donations from local residents and anyone else likely to donate. The first such collector was Mr Ted Rope, who owned a couple of blocks of flats on the old Pacific Highway (now Golden Four Drive). He must have done a good job as the minutes show a regular stream of donations.

Early financial statements are few, but the main expenses were the costs in setting up the patrol gear, such as reels, patrol arena, shark tower, flats, ski, patrol caps etc. The Government of the day supplied official receipt books. It is not clear whether they had to pay for them.

Before the club shed was built meetings were held in the local Scouts Hall, where they paid fifteen shillings ($1.50) for the privilege. Supper was even provided. The providore being Jack Sutherland, not really noted for his catering ability.

The first two seasons must have been quite trying for patrol members, as records show a total of six members gained their bronze medallion, therefore they would have been required to spend a lot of time on patrol.

The original club constitution required that all members of the club reside locally, and the fact that there were already two other clubs drawing on local residents for membership made it very hard for the new club to survive.

After struggling for membership in the inaugural season) most of the members left to join the more glamorous" clubs'' of Greenmount and Kirra) it was decided to change the constitution and recruit members from outside the area.

Joe Doniger's friendship with the driver of the Telegraph Newspaper delivery truck and a couple of other stalwarts from the Newspaper (Jack Whalley and Mick Robinson) saw the introduction of several apprentices from the said newspaper to the club.

The first to join was Vince (Bluey) McIntosh, the next weekend Austin (Aussie) Short and the next weekend Don Moore and Tom Davies arrived on the scene, soon afterwards they were joined by Ray Ferguson, Joe Amos and Ken Blanch. In the following months the membership was boosted by "The Kedron Connection'', comprising Gerard, Peter and Barry Smith and Don Munro.

There were several others who wanted to join but couldn't manage the swim requirements, which was 400 yards in 8 minutes. Not everyone could do it when they started out, but with training (which was done at the Valley Pool in Brisbane after work on week days), they eventually got their times down. There weren't many public swimming pools in Brisbane, therefore not everyone could swim, or if they could, their styles were very basic. The club eventually began to conduct club swims at the Spring Hill Baths, where the manager at the time was Bill Potter, who was of great assistance to many club members who had problems with their styles.

The local membership comprised Joe Doniger, Pierre (Peter) Ince, and John Deane. Peter Ince and John Deane took on the job of creating lifesavers out of a bunch of blokes with various degrees of swimming ability.

Bronze examinations could be quite an ordeal, depending on the surf conditions it could take half a day to complete and it was common for members to fail their examinations and they would have to do the lot again. In most cases there were no boats or skis standing by the buoys when the patients and beltmen swam out. Sharks were a constant source of worry.

As can be imagined, North Kirra was lacking in experienced persons to guide the new members, and without the help of two very prominent persons in the Lifesaving movement (namely Frank McGrath, who was president of State Centre as well as the Point Danger Branch, and Andy Frizzell, who was the Point Danger Branch Superintendent) we may not have made it. These two gentlemen took a very keen interest in North Kirra and provided guidance and in Andy's case practical help. He organised his son Vic Frizzell and Ray Zillman, both active members of Palm Beach Surf Club to undertake the instruction of our bronze squads in Brisbane, where they trained two nights a week in the grounds of the old Woolloongabba Police Station, where there were basketball and tennis courts as well. John Deane continued to train them at the weekends. No such assistance was offered from our nearest neighbors, arguably the strongest club in the State at the time.

With the influx of members from Brisbane it became necessary to expand the building and in 1954 a bunk room was added to the existing building and triple deck racks were built around the walls on which Army stretchers were placed and we at last had a bit of room. The stretchers, even in mid-summer were freezing cold and anyone who didn't bring blankets made sure it happened only once. Newspapers were often used as extra blankets. Later we bought several triple-decker bunks from Kirra (yes we bought them) with mattresses which made sleeping a bit more comfortable. Members were also required to bring a knife, fork and spoon. There was plenty of variety of cutlery.

A stove recess was also added and with the donation of a wood stove, we were able to cook our meals, needless to say some of the meals were good but those attempted by members who thought they could cook and couldn't were not so good. Nevertheless the stove recess was a warm place to gather, as the clubhouse was unlined and could be very cold at night time.

A cold water shower was also added. Showering in the cold weather was indeed an ordeal. One of the favorite things to do was to go down the road to Jack Sutherland's flats and use the showers which were located in a separate building in the yard, and hope he didn't catch you, although it was worth being caught just to have a cold shower.

The club toilets consisted of two outhouses (one for men and one for women, I doubt whether many women used it) on the southern side which were the object of many practical jokes in the years they were there. It was quite common to find one of them pushed over on Sunday mornings, particularly if the members of Tugun club had been past on their way home from the Saturday night dance at Coolangatta.

The Telegraph members had to work in Brisbane on Saturdays (having a Saturday off every six weeks), and to get to the coast, would finish work at 6 p.m. And catch a tram (or taxi if there were enough to share the fare) to Holland Park tram terminus, and hitch-hike from there. It was common on every Friday and Saturday for members of all Gold Coast clubs to hitch a ride, as not many had a vehicle, those who did were very popular, and would be booked up weeks in advance, from members wanting a lift (two shillings - 20c - was a popular contribution towards the fuel for the trip). Lifesavers were easily recognised by their club blazer, which they qualified to wear after they obtained their bronze medallion.

Patrols were performed by the members who turned up for the weekend. The patrol roster was introduced much later on. It was nothing to spend most of the day on the beach, either on patrol, bronze training or body surfing (surf boards Malibu style) were not yet introduced.

1952 saw a new President, Mr Ray Blackman, who was a member of Greenmount, also was a leading light in the Branch and State Centre. Mr Blackman remained for two seasons, and when leaving remarked that the ship was sinking and he didn't want to go down with it.

The ship did not sink! Our next President was Mr Len Cronin, then Mr Stan Carrick, a Brisbane builder who owned property over the road from the club. He was followed by our former club Secretary, Cliff Cooke.

By this time, the Brisbane members had taken over the active positions in the club, the first captain after Joe Doniger was Austin Short, who left for work in New Guinea. Peter Pyle was next and he was followed by Don Moore, who served in the position for several years.

In 1957, the club appointed a President from their own ranks, Graham Bennett, who as a young man was able to provide the drive and energy to leave the old clubhouse behind and not only did the members get a new clubhouse, they helped to build it themselves. By the end of the season the plans were ready and were presented to the June general meeting.

First came the battle with the Council for the lease of the land, the local alderman can vouch that we were on the move, he was woken at 6am every Sunday morning by a visit from Graham and a couple of members. It worked and we had the OK. The plans were prepared by Sam Collier (Tony's father). We had one member who was a carpenter (Claude Williams), he happened to work for Mr Lloyd Moffatt a local builder, who also came on board with all his equipment as well, the rest of the members became builders' laborers. Our club patron at the time was Mr James Brett, who owned Brett Timbers, he donated the timber required for the project.

Many of the members had never seen a wheelbarrow before, let alone push one full of concrete, but by the time the concrete slabs were poured, there were quite a few who knew a bit more about concreting. So as not to break the continuity of he work we had members making smoko and when that was over, there were many reluctant starters, but the President would pick u the wheelbarrow and shovel and start work and before long all hands would be on deck again.

The advent of the new clubhouse, saw an influx of new members. The annual report recalls 1959-60 as a very successful year with 13 Bronze Medallions, 6 Instructors' Certificates, and 2 Board of Examiners, awards being gained. The first Life memberships were granted to Gerard Smith and Don Moore.

A very sad occasion for the club was the death of one of our members, Alwyn Boyce Lamb in the surf at North Kirra on April 23, 1960. Several members of the club were involved in the effort to revive him using the new Mouth-to-Mouth Resuscitation method. The new First Aid Room was dedicated to the memory of Boyce and a plaque erected.

North Kirra also lost another great friend in the former Branch and State President, Frank McGrath, who was a great supporter in the early life of the club.

The club also recognised with a life membership one of our most popular members Claude (Mog) Williams a carpenter by trade who hailed from New Zealand, and was a tower of strength when the new clubhouse was being constructed. As was his boss, Lloyd Moffatt.

It was found that with the new clubhouse and influx of members, it was necessary to make use of our new kitchen and employ a cook, the first of which was Terry Dunne, who in his day had cooked in the Army and shearing sheds in the bush, He was quite a character, and when he became too old to cook we employed him as club caretaker. He was succeeded by Bob Badger, and Margaret Brazenas, who provided a high quality of catering for members, ably assisted by our Clubhouse Directors of the day. Caretakers became important also and were lucky to have several really good ones, Frank Gilmore, John Garrett, Cec (Pops) Brady and Bill Abbott come to mind.

While the club's efforts in carnivals left a bit to be desired, not so the Branch patrol competition, which was won several times in the years to come. Caltex Oil provided skis for the winning club each year.

The Sixties saw North Kirra come into its own in the organisation of and running of surf carnivals, as well as Branch carnivals, the club acquired their own sponsor W.D. & H.O. Wills, the major tobacco company of the day, and each year ran the Craven "A'' Carnival with an impressive array of trophies and attracted clubs from all Branches and Northern New South Wales. These carnivals were second only in size to the State titles and the experience gained by the club was a forerunner to the State Titles being held here on a regular basis to this day.

In 1963, at the instigation of our Patron of many years, Mr Brett, a recreation room was added to the club, opening out from the dormitory, also with access by an outside staircase, once again the materials were supplied by Mr Brett, a true stalwart of the club.

This was the year of our first "new'' surf boat (we had a second hand one we had bought from Kirra - Allisons - which didn't last long). However our new boat was named after J.F. Brett, and was christened by his good friend Lady Axon, wife of the Vice-Chancellor of the University, Sir Albert Axon. Craven "A'' came to the party with a new trailer, built by the Club's Engineer, Rod Adams.

North Kirra club were concerned with the frequency of drownings between the unpatrolled areas from Kirra to Tugun, and at Graham Bennett's instigation a 4WD vehicle was loaned to the club for a trial period by International Harvester. Shell provided the petrol and Matthews Fire Alarms the alarm. Whatmores Sports store provided the red track tops and the vehicle also carried 2-way radios which were in constant contact with the clubhouse, where if necessary, the telephonists at the Tweed Heads Telephone Exchange were alerted and they notified the Ambulance and Police. This idea is seen as the forerunner of today's mobile patrols. By the following Easter the club had purchased its own vehicle and patrolled from the Kirra Camping Reserve to Bilinga. BP provided the petrol. The club's initiative received wide media coverage.

As with every club, fund raising was an important part of club activities. House to House collections at the coast and in Brisbane, BBQ's and Disco nights at the Club were of great benefit financially, as well as providing members with experience in organising events and selling tickets. A walkathon was also held and raised several thousand dollars. Another innovation was a Fete in a park at Stones Corner in Brisbane. Hotel "Chook'' Raffles were the main source of revenue for the club over many years. We were lucky to have some very conscientious ticket sellers, too numerous to name individually, but one to stand out was Nial Duncan whose efforts raised thousands of dollars. The Lifesavers Appeals Committee provided the club with many avenues for fund raising, such as the Exhibition Chocolate Wheel, House to House Collections, Art Unions, Surf Girl competitions, (our representative, Meta Ransome won the title in 1967, which meant the club was presented with a new surf boat), Lifesavers Balls, at which we were very successful in winning the best decorated alcove competition, mainly through the ability of our commercial artist, club member Barry Henderson, who was employed at Channel 7.

We were lucky also to have reliable representatives on the Appeals Committee, namely, Don Moore, Bob Cosgrove, Lloyd Jackson and Barry McKay, who kept the club's interests to the fore. Some of our most successful fund raisers were held at the club on Good Friday and Christmas Nights for several years. These forms of fund raising were looked upon as part of the club culture and helped in the development of many young members in their future lives, such as selling raffle tickets and organising functions. Our right to raffle at the Kirra Beach Hotel was always a bane of contention with our southern neighbours, the managers of the day always seemed to favour us, maybe we were better customers.

Club reunions were another highlight, in the early days they were held in the old clubhouse (The Shack), then at the Tweed Heads Masonic Hall, and lately at the clubhouse, under Queensland laws people under 21 could not drink alcohol, but over the years many a young person (not juniors) learned to drink in a controlled situation where they were looked after and sent to bed when they had had enough. (Doesn't happen in these times). The United Services Club in Brisbane (where Graham Bennett was a member) and Cloudland were other venues for these functions, which were conducted in conjunction with the Old Boys Association.

Christmas Days at the Clubhouse were another highlight of the year, where one of the members Mother, Christine Murphy would be on the job from early morning organising Christmas Dinner for all the members (and there were many) in attendance. The Christmas keg was also a great attraction.

The North Kirra Old Boys Association was formed in 1963 and was a great way of keeping members in touch with the club and their old mates, functions were held at Christmas time every year where members brought their children along to meet Santa Claus, funds for these days were raised from raffles at the Queens Hotel, and later the Shamrock Hotel. The Old Boys were able to assist in providing several items of surf gear over the years. Although these days a bit thin in numbers are still to be seen around the club on occasions such as when the club hosts the State Titles, and other working bees, where our retired Engineer Rodney "Shark'' Adams has organised a great team of workers.

The Australian championships in 1965-66 conducted at Coolangatta were very successful, the Organiser was Graham Bennett, who did a great job, as did all the members from North Kirra. The support from the other clubs (namely Kirra, Coolangatta and Greenmount) left a lot to be desired. When it came to the end of the day when the clean-ups were on the only members sighted on the beach were from North Kirra. I don't think the same idea has been tried since. However the weather was perfect, the crowds huge and it was great to be part of it.

The club continued to grow over the years at a normal pace, the patrol competitions were always a target to try to win or at least come second, which we often did. The trend towards a young President was continued with Lloyd Jackson, George Doniger, Mike Culhana, and Joe Nowak, who held the position for several years, and saw the club grow even bigger. The Clubhouse, which was originally fibro was bricked in and the official opening was conducted by the then Queensland Governor, Sir Alan Mansfield in September, 1969 on the occasion of a "Craven A'' Carnival.

1974 saw the club nearly go under (literally), the beach was battered by two cyclones, king tides, and torrential rain, the beach was washed away and the water reached the clubhouse and undermined the new boatshed, causing much damage. The repairs were eventually carried out after a standoff as to who was to pay for them. The Council constructed a rock wall along the front of the clubhouse, which is covered by the sand you see today. The Council then built a sandbag "sausage'' groin in front of the club and the sand was pumped at Government expense to the beach and the exercise was repeated years later, the present day beach is like it was in the early 50's. The opening where Coolangatta Creek enters the surf nowadays was just an open creek and every year, around February (the cyclone season) we would lose our beach, but it was always back by the start of the following season.

In the Seventies and Eighties, the club prospered under the leadership of several long term officials, namely: Joe Nowak, Tony Dwyer, Bruce Bevan, Warron Williams, Kevin Dunn, Mark Strachan and several others, too numerous to mention individually.

After several years of low key competition North Kirra started to get serious about it. A series of new boats were donated by James Brett, life member Austin Short, Brian Oxenford from the Kirra Beach Hotel, The Sunday Sun, Powers Brewing. FAI Insurance became a major sponsor and donated a surf boat, IRB, carnival tent and paid for the repairs to the clubhouse roof, then followed with a quarterly donation of $5000 that continued for two years.

Encouraged by Joe Nowak and Tony Dwyer, the club had several boat crews with various forms of success, such as branch titles, placings in State titles. Several members also took up surf ski and board racing, with Gary Petie, Laurie Fagan, Barry McKay, Steve Andrews, John Gilmour being to the fore. Beach events were covered in the early days by George Doniger, Lloyd Jackson, Brian Milburn and Merv Elliott, in the eighties and nineties by Adrian Vines, Alistair and Richard Wydell, Paul Patterson, John Busch and many others.

Then as with all surf clubs, the club went through a difficult phase, membership dropped off, and it was left to the few that were there to maintain the high standards we were used to. Rosalie Marists College and Brothers Rugby League Club was a good source for maintaining our membership ranks.

1980 saw the purchase of a commuter bus to be used to bring junior and cadet members to the coast from Brisbane. Another use was to transport carnival competitors to and from Carnivals. It was under the control of senior club officers.

With the introduction of the IRB, it became necessary for members to obtain their IRB Driver's Licence, after early teething problems, such as inexperienced drivers the new style rescue became a reality, complete with radios. The first IRB lasted four seasons. A State Government grant was then used to obtain a new one. Since then there have been several others.

Like any other club North Kirra had their internal problems, which every so often would come to a head and get sorted out one way or the other. The club is still there and the protagonists have gone. One thing about surf clubs, the club is always bigger than the individual. Many have found that to be true over the years.

In an effort to increase membership, the club acquired a house at Tugun, which was used to house the wives and girlfriends, it worked successfully. The house was eventually sold and a unit at Kirra was acquired, another upmarket unit was also purchased. Both units were eventually sold. They were worthwhile investments for the club.

1982-3 season saw our first female lifesavers, when Jenny and Christian Johnson received their bronze medallions. The next season saw three more in Dimity Goss, Natalie Dart and Susan Lewis. Natalie was a champion swimmer and came sixth in the surf race at the Aussie titles. Since that time the number of female members have increased dramatically. Another new member that season was Tim Bennett, son of Graham, our former president. Tim went on to become the club president from 1996 to 1998. More second generation members were to come in the following years in Adam Cosgrove, Bill and Dan Moore and Joe Nowak Jnr.

With the advent of female members, the structure of the club had to be changed, a female dormitory was built downstairs, the ladies shower room and toilet were there from when the new clubhouse was completed, but were renovated, a new caretaker's room was created and other alterations were made, the female transmission went quite smoothly. It was not long before they were holding down positions in the club.

The North Kirra Supporters' Club was formed in 1987, It was built in the club's Recreation Room, which adjoined the upstairs bunk room. The Bar Committee, led by Chairman Bruce Bevan, unofficially opened the bar in November, 1986. The official opening of the "Lloyd Jackson'' Bar was performed by Life Member, Lloyd Jackson, whose expertise as an architect helped bring the bar into being on the 1st March, 1987. The first employee was Keith Dunn (Kevin's father) who lived at the clubhouse, acted as caretaker and operated the bar. The bar operated on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. As the clientele increased the bunk room was eventually shifted downstairs and the bar, dining and later poker machine area took over the whole top floor. Bruce Bevan was the first manager, and he was succeeded by former publican Vince "Bluey'' McIntosh, who remains in the position at the time of printing this history. His wife, Patti was also prominent with her fund raising at the club.

Under the Chairmanship of Geoff Stein the Supporters Club prospered and to this day has become one of the best of its kind on the Coast. By 1995 president Tom White and his committee decided to move the dormitory downstairs and increase the bar and dining area. A new kitchen and cold room were added. The work was carried out by the State Government's Skill Share program, which provided a large part of the finance. The outside deck and was added at a later date and provides a wonderful outlook whether eating or drinking. The Supporters Club is lucky to have a fine bistro chef, who keeps the people coming in through the door, which can make or break a club like ours.

The club's 40th anniversary year, 1989, saw the beach, after years of lack of sand and "sausage groins'' starting to take shape again and with more pumping from offshore, looked good again. Some seasons there was not much beach at all. However the beach at the present time is really like the "old days''.

North Kirra, probably only the club to have an official photographer, Mick Binder, who was at the club for several years, as was his camera, he was a great supporter of the club, sadly he was killed in a road accident at this time. The club lost a loyal supporter. We were to find out later that he had bequeathed $10,000 to the club in his will.

The Nineties saw a new group of officials to join the ranks of the club, Kevin Dunn as president, then Tim Bennett, Bill Moore, Dan Baker, Ken Langdon and several younger members began to take on positions. We lost our major sponsor and had to sell the one of the units. The sale price was about $49,000, not bad for the period. The activities of the Supporters Club were about to become important to the active club.

A sad day for North Kirra, was the passing of one of our stalwarts from the very early fifties, Gerard "Gert'' Smith. He held almost all positions in the club at some stage, and was one of our first life members.

During the same season, the Gold Coast council saw fit to dedicate the park on the northern side of the Club the "Joe Doniger Park'' at a function in the park in October 1992. Joe Doniger, as well a being our founding captain, was also granted life membership of North Kirra at the ceremony. He was granted life membership of Kirra Surf Club in 1940. He was awarded the Royal Humane Society Gold Medal 1937 for rescuing two fellow members during a shark attack at Kirra Beach in 1937. His son George, also a life member of North Kirra, served our club in many positions, including, President, Captain and Treasurer. Another former local "character'', Coolangatta photographer, Fred Lang, was also present on the occasion.

At last, after many years of talking about it, the inaugural season of North Kirra Nippers Club arrived. Cheryl-Ann Dunn was the initial instructor. Members in their first year were not expected to compete against other clubs, but to just enjoy the Sunday mornings on the beach. The following season the Junior titles were held at North Kirra with our Nippers competing.

The successful formation of the Nippers Club brought about a new interest in the club from local residents, through their children becoming Nippers, hence the parents gravitated to the senior club, with many of them becoming bronze holders and doing patrols. This is the situation at the time of writing this history. The present day club committee members, began their membership as Nipper parents. The club is lucky to have this dedicated band of parents, as like many other clubs there is a lack of interest among younger members of the community.

Season 1996-97, saw another milestone, with the appointment of our first female captain, while some thought she couldn't do it, Kerrie Barnes proved them wrong and had a very successful season, she was reappointed again the following season. In 1991 Kerrie became the club's Administrator.

Tim Bennett took the reins as president in 1996 for two seasons which saw many changes with new members, both local and from Brisbane playing a part in the running of the club, he was followed by John Sutcliffe and Paul Entriken, then Nick Playsted held the position for 12 months before Mark Tully, whose grandfather was founder Joe Doniger, spent two seasons in the position. The present president (season 04-05) is Tony Wischnevsky. The club has prospered in this period to the extent that the beach side can operate without too many financial worries, therefore their attention can be concentrated on the lifesaving side of the club.

Saturday, the 31st of July 1999, saw the celebration at the Club of the 50th Anniversary. The Supporters Club was crowded all weekend and it was great to see the response from members who came from as far as New Zealand, Darwin and all the Australian states. An informal function was held on Friday night, with the main celebration on Saturday. Hopefully its success will encourage the club to hold regular reunions.

As with all clubs, North Kirra has had its share of characters, who have helped to make our time as members of this great club an enjoyable and often amusing part of our progress through life, particularly when the members from Brisbane came down on Friday nights every weekend, there was always someone or something to have a laugh at. Some of the characters from those times (nicknames where they apply) were: Bombo, Shark, Shadow, Erp, Henry, Tackhead, Bluey, Bosie, Tits McGroin, Big Ring, Bumper, Jock, Crewy, The Pole, Gaddy, The Tin, Chicko Roll, KC, Gert, Hendo, Tommo, Horty, Gibbsy, Millie, Clapper, Pump 'N Grell, Pussy, recent seasons were to see many more. However, space means I have to leave it at that, but it can be said that many people, be they judges, politicians, tradesmen, professional people, or plain Joe Blows, walk the streets of Australia and possibly the world all the better for their time spent at North Kirra Surf Lifesaving Club.

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If you have some comment worthy of inclusion please send it to northkirra@bigpond.com - additons to the above would be most welcome and a continuation from about 1999 to the present would also be most welcome.